load data for burger 185 gr. 300 RUM
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BIGJOHNT
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I do reload with Retumbo. I am kinda of reloading a 300 RUM? I reload a 300 Tejas. Its a little faster. I have been loading the Berger 168 gr. 98 gr. of Retumbo @ 3465 fps. I have been thinking of trying the 230 gr hybrids .I hunt with Barnes bullets tho. I don't really trust the Bergers with big animals like elk. If you are going to go up in weight why not go up all the way up. You gain better performance in wind with the higher BC. The turret takes care of the bullet drop no matter what weight.
All guns will shoot different. So what works for my gun may or may not work for yours. The max load in the Berger book for the 185 gr bullet is 96 gr. So I would start a little lower then max and see how your gun likes it. Just go up or down and see how you bullet groups with the different loads. The starting load in the book is 86.5 of Retumbo. If you don't have the book I can get you the pages that you want. Good luck
All guns will shoot different. So what works for my gun may or may not work for yours. The max load in the Berger book for the 185 gr bullet is 96 gr. So I would start a little lower then max and see how your gun likes it. Just go up or down and see how you bullet groups with the different loads. The starting load in the book is 86.5 of Retumbo. If you don't have the book I can get you the pages that you want. Good luck
utarchery
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i have the book, i was just "fishing" to see if anyone had some loads figured up that i could try. maybe ill try the 168gr berger. i used to have a friend shooting the 168gr berger and i watched several deer, a couple elk and even a moose die in their tracks so maybe thats the way to go
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I shoot those out of an 06 and they barely hold up. Cant imagine how explosive they would be out of an ultra mag. That's asking for problems I think
I've seen both good and bad with Bergers. Close range high velocity impacts aren't the bullets strong point. Experienced this with my RUM. In my kids .243's however, they are nasty killers. By the way, the Berger isn't constructed to hold together. mtmuley
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I'd load the 210vld or the 215 hybrids if you wanna shoot Bergers. Load over retumbo.
I'd load the 210vld or the 215 hybrids if you wanna shoot Bergers. Load over retumbo.
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When I first started using Bergers I was worried by a few comments by others. Now after shooting DOZENS of animals with Berger bullets from 50-1,000 yards, I don't even listen to the negative comments as my results prove otherwise. Yes there have been a few people have a bad experience but that can be said about every bullet. A light bullet in a RUM probably isn't the best. I shoot 190s in my 300 RUM and it does a great job. It seems those that criticize Bergers the most, have the least field experience with them. I'll find the load data and send it over.
utarchery
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>When I first started using Bergers
>I was worried by a
>few comments by others.
> Now after shooting DOZENS
>of animals with Berger bullets
>from 50-1,000 yards, I don't
>even listen to the negative
>comments as my results prove
>otherwise. Yes there have been
>a few people have a
>bad experience but that can
>be said about every bullet.
> A light bullet
>in a RUM probably isn't
>the best. I
>shoot 190s in my 300
>RUM and it does a
>great job. It seems
>those that criticize Bergers the
>most, have the least
>field experience with them.
> I'll find
>the load data and send
>it over.
>
thanks man!! i really appreciate the positive feedback!! and ya send the data over. thanks again
>I was worried by a
>few comments by others.
> Now after shooting DOZENS
>of animals with Berger bullets
>from 50-1,000 yards, I don't
>even listen to the negative
>comments as my results prove
>otherwise. Yes there have been
>a few people have a
>bad experience but that can
>be said about every bullet.
> A light bullet
>in a RUM probably isn't
>the best. I
>shoot 190s in my 300
>RUM and it does a
>great job. It seems
>those that criticize Bergers the
>most, have the least
>field experience with them.
> I'll find
>the load data and send
>it over.
>
thanks man!! i really appreciate the positive feedback!! and ya send the data over. thanks again
Everybody is different. I've shot some of the best LR groups I've ever fired with a 190 VLD out of my RUM. Bought my first box in 2006 I think. I have no confidence in them for hunting. Like I said, 15 years behind a RUM will teach you some things. mtmuley
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mtmuley,
I agree a light VLD in a RUM isn't the best choice for close range as they will expand rapidly. They'll still get the job done but not the best choice. Put a 190-210 Vld and slow it down a bit and I wouldn't hesitate.
I Know a few people voice concern about elk shoulder bone and just blowing up at close range, I'm not saying it hasn't or doesn't happen but I've never experienced it just blowing up and not penetrate. Maybe it's because I don't shoot them in the shoulder. At close range it's either a neck shot or right behind the shoulder.
Using the 190s in my 300 and 168s in my 7 they have performed great and are nasty killers like you stated of the 243.
There will always be disagreement of what a hunting bullet should do. Some people think a bullet should retain nearly 100% while others like me like the vld concept. They both kill.
I shot the Barnes for years and thought it was the way to go. Which I will agree if you want to shoot an elk through both shoulders it's the way to go. After a few bad experiences I started looking at other options.
Using both bullets I've found a few things that I like better about the VLD. Yes both bullets kill them just as dead when shot through the boiler room. But the VLD does more internal damage, which comes in very nice on the not so great shots. The thing I don't like and have witnessed a few times with Barnes is if you hit them a little far back, or not so perfect shot, the animal will go a long ways before a recovery, or not find it at all because the bullet pencils through leaving one hole. The same shot with a VLD does a lot more internal damage,causing a bigger wound channel and they don't go far.
90% of the animals I kill are 200+ yards. For my style of hunting I feel it's the best option. The further the shot, the more the VLD shines over the other bullets. I have killed elk and deer under 100 and the VLD still works great. Those that want to find a slug with 100% retention will be dissapointed. Yep, the Barnes is a better way to go for 50 yard shoulder shots. I try to avoid the shoulder no matter what I'm shooting.
I'm not trying to convince people to use them as I really don't care. People need to use what they have confidence in and put the bullet in the kill zone.
It just cracks me up hearing those that say the VLD is not a hunting bullet and only for paper.... LMAO!!!
I agree a light VLD in a RUM isn't the best choice for close range as they will expand rapidly. They'll still get the job done but not the best choice. Put a 190-210 Vld and slow it down a bit and I wouldn't hesitate.
I Know a few people voice concern about elk shoulder bone and just blowing up at close range, I'm not saying it hasn't or doesn't happen but I've never experienced it just blowing up and not penetrate. Maybe it's because I don't shoot them in the shoulder. At close range it's either a neck shot or right behind the shoulder.
Using the 190s in my 300 and 168s in my 7 they have performed great and are nasty killers like you stated of the 243.
There will always be disagreement of what a hunting bullet should do. Some people think a bullet should retain nearly 100% while others like me like the vld concept. They both kill.
I shot the Barnes for years and thought it was the way to go. Which I will agree if you want to shoot an elk through both shoulders it's the way to go. After a few bad experiences I started looking at other options.
Using both bullets I've found a few things that I like better about the VLD. Yes both bullets kill them just as dead when shot through the boiler room. But the VLD does more internal damage, which comes in very nice on the not so great shots. The thing I don't like and have witnessed a few times with Barnes is if you hit them a little far back, or not so perfect shot, the animal will go a long ways before a recovery, or not find it at all because the bullet pencils through leaving one hole. The same shot with a VLD does a lot more internal damage,causing a bigger wound channel and they don't go far.
90% of the animals I kill are 200+ yards. For my style of hunting I feel it's the best option. The further the shot, the more the VLD shines over the other bullets. I have killed elk and deer under 100 and the VLD still works great. Those that want to find a slug with 100% retention will be dissapointed. Yep, the Barnes is a better way to go for 50 yard shoulder shots. I try to avoid the shoulder no matter what I'm shooting.
I'm not trying to convince people to use them as I really don't care. People need to use what they have confidence in and put the bullet in the kill zone.
It just cracks me up hearing those that say the VLD is not a hunting bullet and only for paper.... LMAO!!!
boot, you said it. VLD's work and work well, it is all in how you use them. I'm going to load some in .270 this summer. Maybe in my .06 too. In my RUM the 200 grain Accubond is what I am confident with. I'm sure you know sometimes it's a mental thing with bullets. mtmuley
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Utarchery,
Here is load data for my 300 RUM. This is where my rifle shot the best. I wouldn't start at 94.5 as every rifle is different. I can send the Berger load data if you need it.
Here is load data for my 300 RUM. This is where my rifle shot the best. I wouldn't start at 94.5 as every rifle is different. I can send the Berger load data if you need it.
i remember when i thought the 185 berg was the cats meow. wont be caught dead w/ them after shooting some 210s. best shot to date was a 1 shot kill on a jackrabbit at 510 yards. I wouldnt believe it myself if i hadnt seen it. i broke a spike bulls spine at 600. i drew a good early rifle elk tag in ~2010, i spent all summer dialing in out to 800 yards. ended up whacking my next two bulls at < 70 yards. the bergers made an absolute mess inside the rib case of both. they are good near and far. i know someone that hit a muley at 580 in the hind quarters, the shrapnel was plenty lethal and the buck bled out quickly.
i have a dream. i have a dream that once, for the first time in the history of MM, a guy will ask for ballistics or bullet info and he will get his info. i have a dream that he will get the info without someone hijacking the thread and turning it into an ethics battle. someday...this dream will come true.
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Lol
